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Yes, there are methods around this by, say, playing Duress turn one and then hitting them with a Cabal turn two to clean up what you couldnt get before

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Coming in at four mana with flash, this siege gives a target creature an opponent controls a massive -13/-13 debuff and can transform after its five defense counters have been depleted

I think this card is pretty pathetic overall for an elder dragon, but being able to steal an even larger creature or planeswalker gives it some weight

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Finally ( heh ), weve been watching the price of the Final Fantasy Commander bundle over the last few weeks , and its just hit $175